The Five Stages of the Female Clinger

Beware the girl who won't allow you any free time or privacy.

Clingy girl waiting for the phone to ring

Welcome to the first and last installment of "Relationship Advice from a Guy who's Never Been in a Relationship." In this article we'll be talking about girls, but unlike my previous article about friends, you can still read this one even if you don't leave your parents' basement to socialize. Reason being, friends can't be bought as easily as girls.

So, as long as you save a portion of your Walmart paycheck for the next 3 months you can afford to purcha...er...treat a girl for a night out. Worst case scenario, you drop a portion of the dough for some massage parlor lovin'.

Now, meeting women isn't very difficult: you go "out" (wherever that is in your town), dress nice, don't be ugly, and say things that make people laugh. Follow these instructions correctly and you'll be ankle-deep in pussy before you know it. My purpose in all this is to help you weed through your suitors to determine which ones are normal, well-adjusted women, and which ones are bat-shit crazy clingers.

The Stage 4 Clinger has a way of extracting information from you that you think is useless, but is really ammo for her arsenal. "Clinger" is a term for a girl who simply refuses to give you any free time to yourself, and it is not a word that should be thrown around carelessly. The clinger deals severe damage not only upon her target, but also his friends, as she is capable of such horrors as turning guy's night into a Starbucks adventure (not the good kind where you make fun of the menu and taunt the barista), and making you wake up at 4am because "she just wanted to say hi."

Described below are the clinger stages. There's no such thing as a Stage 1 Clinger, because that would just be a normal female. Stage 5 is the worst because that's how Wedding Crashers did it, and if you have a problem with Wedding Crashers then you can just go to hell.

Stage 2 Clinger

The most common clinger, really more of a nuisance than an actual threat. The S2 texts you throughout the day and constantly wants to hang out, but you can easily avoid her by using the classic "guy's night" excuse. You can identify an S2 easily enough when talking to her for the first time, as she'll generally try to make plans with you in the far-future even though you just met her.

Typical exchange with a Stage 2 Clinger:

*30 minutes after meeting*
You: Yeah, so I'll be going to Jamaica for a few weeks in February.
Her: Awe cool, except now I'm not going to have a Valentine's Day date.
You: What's your name again?

Stage 3 Clinger

The S3 is an upgraded version of the S2 but only in terms of persistency, not cleverness. You'll probably be receiving texts at certain scheduled parts of the day (morning and night for example) and maybe even an odd call. If the S3 has a mode of transportation then you'll need to be extra careful when revealing your location, as there's a chance she could arrive at any time. Just to be safe, keep the S3 on her toes by only telling her where you really are a third of the time.

Typical exchange with a Stage 3 Clinger:

*Via text*
Her: (8:06 AM) Morning sunshine
Her: (10:20 AM) Whatsup buttercup?
Her: (12:48 PM) Hey, you there
You: (1:12 PM) Hey, yeah
Her: (1:13 PM) Hey!!!!Whatsup? What are you doing today?
You: (1:30 PM) Not too sure, maybe going to the mall
Her: (1:31 PM) Cool!! When? Maybe we can meet up and grab lunch ;)<3
Her: (2:55 PM) Hey, I'm at the mall, where are u? :)
You: (3:10 PM) McDonalds
Her: (3:11 PM) Oh, the one by the mall? I'll be right there ;)
You: (3:15 PM) No no, I'm at the one on the other side of town
Her: (3:16 PM) Oh that's fine I have gas, cya soon xox
You: (3:20 PM) No, not on the other side of OUR town. Just on the other side of a town.
Her: (3:21 PM) Which town?
Her: (4:00 PM) ??
Her: (4:30 PM) :(
Her: (10:45 PM) Hey!:)

Stage 4 Clinger

The Stage 4 Clinger is kind of like the T-800 Terminator*: she's very good at accomplishing her goal and will let nothing stand in her way. The S4 has a way of extracting information from you that you think is useless, but is really just ammo for their arsenal. Remember that time you wrote down your postal code when you were filling out a contest sheet? The S4 has extracted and processed that information, and with the help of Google Maps, now knows where you live. Congratulations.

Typical exchange with a Stage 4 Clinger:

*via phone*
Her: Hey, whatsup?
You: Nothing, just chilling at my house with a friend.
Her: Which friend?
You: Jordan.
Her: IS THAT A GIRL?!?!?!
You: Uhhh...no.
Her: Oh okay, does he drive the red Taurus?
You: ...Yes, how did you know that?
Her: Oh, I'm just parked outside.
You: What?!? Why?
Her: I was hoping I would see you. Do you mind if I come in really quick to use your bathroom?
You: *click*

Stage 5 Clinger

To be truthful, I have never encountered an S5, although I know close friends who have. These are the girls who will plan their lives around you: they'll go to the same school as you (or at least move to the same city), get the same class schedule as you, apply for a job at the places you work (and visit regularly), and even try to befriend your friends.

If you ever encounter an S5, the most important thing is to stay calm and whatever you do, DO NOT have sex with her. Once she gives it up, she'll pursue you to the corners of the Earth focused on getting you to propose or at least be her baby daddy. Actually, you know what, scratch that. Go ahead and sex her up; you only live once.

Know any more stories? Ever met any style of clinger? Share your stories in the comment section.

*Yeah that's right, T-800 not T-101. From Wikipedia: "In the T2 commentary, Cameron states that the Model 101s all look like Schwarzenegger, with a 102 looking like someone else, leading to speculation that the 101 refers to the physical appearance while the 800 refers to the endoskeleton common to many models." So shut up, fanboy. (Return to sentence)



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Andrei Trostel's picture

I like the addition of the footnote.
Nicely done.

Casey Freeman's picture

You know, I kind of miss having a stalker. It keeps you on your toes.

ill stalk u

Gavin Pitt's picture

Awesome! Especially the footnote *g*. I've had an S3- and yes, she was female. She wouldn't believe me when I said I liked guys!

Casey- where do I volunteer?

I have a kinda S3 clinger, it goes like this:

Her 7:20 AM: Ugh it's way too early to work
Her 11:00 AM: I hate annoying customers
Her 1:20 PM: Guess which bones I'm breaking
Me 1:45 PM: I hope all of em
Her 1:46 PM: Haha no i'm going ice skating
Her 3:20 PM: yay I didn't break anything
Me 3:50 PM: I don't give a fuck, now stop texting me

Well, at least she's quiet then for a couple of hours

How about guys that are clingers?
I know, I know; It seems impossible, right?
Well, it effing happened. On multiple, equally creepy occasions.
This one guy I dated (and another I kissed a total of.....one time) texted me at least thirty times a day, would always talk about how fun the future was going to be, would try to hang out all the time... and some guys wonder why some girls prefer to distance themselves in a "relationship".
I resorted to shutting off my phone, only turning it on when I wanted to talk to somebody that wasn't them.

Another I dated for 3 annoying months used to talk about marriage constantly, and after 4 years of being apart, he still tries to talk to me and visit.

clingers have been an extremely recurrent problem in my life.

i currently have a guy i barely know calling me, on SKYPE, at least 3 times a night now. i really hate talking on skype, i really only go on it to keep in touch with friends like via IM, but he fucking won't stop. i usually am working or doing something else on the computer and i don't reaaaally want to talk to him or any other person (usually, minus a rare few) for that matter so i never pick up and have to pretend i'm not there. sometimes he'll let it ring for ten minutes or more before giving up. and i wouldn't ever admit that i'm doing it purposefully or block him, :[

if i ever led i guy on i didn't mean to, ahahah but i'm pretty sure i didn't, regarding him? i kinda just have bad luck with that or problems with excessive attention or i send wrong signals because i wouldn't ever tell a guy to go away or a bit of each. pretty sure this one isn't my fault. like at all. either way it makes me wanna stab myself in the face.

SOO i dunno what stage that would be in clingdom. needless to say i cannot stand people like that, even being around someone who is clingy, not even to myself, is ridiculously annoying.

but for me, it's mostly those who sadly don't have many friends for whatever reason, so they resort to acting like you think that they're your best friend and insist of doing anything involving you as much as possible.

group clingers are pretty bad too imho; you know, those people who think they're friends (or don't want to admit to themselves they're not friends) with you and your friends so they insist on joining in on whatever you're doing even though they're pretty obviously unwanted? and they'll kinda hover around when you're hanging out and if you go anywhere they'll follow without invitation and if you're planning anything they'll make sure to find out and be there. argharggg

this'll sound mean, i suppose, but really: it's just annoying as fuck, often ruins a potentially good time, and they need to get a clue. simultaneously i feel bad, however, because they obviously are missing something that they require emotionally regarding friendships if they have to resort to clinging to this degree, and again, nobody with empathy could possibly do anything about besides suffer silently. because feeling unwanted sucks. but they know they are deep down, if not consciously, i'm quite certain of this. SO WHAT CAN YA DEWWW. gotta live with it, i suppose.

great, i wrote half an article already. can you tell i think about this alot? ahhaha

S10:
attempting to hold my hand first time just talking. unable to, thus resorting to arm clinging.
emo morning and night phone calls.
showing up to all of my classes (not the same class).
showing up to my team meetings (not in our group. or even same tutorial. no idea how she got the group meeting locations or times, also tags along to client meetings after befriending group leader).
calling her phone on my phone when im high to get my number and asking me how i managed to call her when she didn't give me her number..
waiting at areas around campus where i frequent, doing nothing but sitting there, looking around. sometimes in an obscure location where i smoke, sleeping.
calling all the time.
offering to buy me dinner and drinks every face to face encounter.
calling private number, finding a weak signal on my end and searching areas on campus with weak signal, finding me 20 minutes later.
WHEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

AND when i think she gets the message, there she is at my presentation (random building/roomnumber/timeslot), the lone person in the chairs, except for the instructors.

the thing is. i went to lunch the second time bumping into her. then realizing she's crazy, ignore. full out ignore. no greeting, response, nothing.

weird thing is she seemed like a normal girl at first, and i was attracted at the very first after my friends pointed her out around campus. THERE'S AN INTERESTING REAL LIFE STALKER/CLINGER EXPERIENCE. LEARN from this by... not giving in to the SLIGHTEST advances or friendly signs, even out of sympathy, or just to be nice. you'll go through hell.

There is actually an S5, and it is clinically proven.

It is called a Borderline or low functioning BPD. You either do what they tell you or they will get you fired, disowned, arrested, even jailed. No joke. IF you submit, then you will be humiliated and degraded for the rest of your life. Congrats!

Those Borderline people are really scary! Not only are both genders quite capable of being S5 but the men who are, turn into perpatrators of domestic violence. The sicko after me tried to murder me! He is doing 20 years for it! Once he realized I wouldn't come back he wanted to make sure nobody else could have me either!
If you meet a S5 or even a S4, run away as fast as you can! Don't be afraid to call the cops either. Your life could be at risk.

I dont think all people with s 4 or s5 are going to kill, especially if somehow you manage to get through tothem by simply explaining for example that a relationship will be hard or impossible to maintain positive if one has doubts becuz those doubts become apparent eventually.. I beleive clingers are just very doubtful and i don believe that is exactly their fault. Becuz there are alot of guys and girls of many ages from 8 to maybe even the age of 89 that do bad things.. Even grandmas that have sex with younger guys.. Sickening.. Such clingers need to have settled the problem from the begining with the right questions and knowledge of what a truly good girl is and which isnt.. And no one should be in a relationship in the first place if they dont feel like they will be irresistable enough for their partners and well there the point is .. These clingers do have reasons to doubt.. But what reasons they do have to not doubts depends on the partner. And what they know and can do? Right?

It really does go both ways...

I dated this guy for maybe about a month. This was two years ago! Still to this day he texts me, randomly calls me And found my email and writes me! And Not once have I wrote him back or answered his calls... You would think after two years of someone not responding to you, and the last thing said to you in the first place was " I hate you Do not talk to me" they would get the hint. But Apparently not.

I have been a clinger, and I have had a clinger. Neither is fun. When I get into my clinger mode, it's like I'm on crack or something and talking to the object of my obsession is my fix. I've called, texted, IMed, skyped, etc. all in an attempt to talk to that guy. And, usually after about a week or two, I get over it.
The worst part about it is, I know what it's like to BE the object of the obesession. It's the worst.
But, it is my opinion, that when two people really like each other, they're both S5 clingers. I really hate it when I see my friends and their new boyfriends act like that. It makes me want to vomit. Unfortunately, in many of these situations, one person gets sick of the other person and the other person doesn't get the hint. That's when the real trouble starts.

I have been a clinger before. i once found out where someone worked, got the directions from mapquest, and went there and waited outside in the bushes until he came out. i put a love letter on his car but didn't write my name. i got a txt that night asking me why there was a love letter on his car w/ the directions from my house to his work on the other side, wow, i'm an idiot. what stage would that be considered?

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anytime you have to use the phrase "waited outside in the bushes", unless you're a paid ninja assassin, you're sending out major red flags.

This is hilarious, I love the text conversations.

What happen to just be honest with one another. If you just tell the other person how you feel there shouldn't be any misunderstanding. If everyone was just straight up with each other, laid their cards out on the table you would know what to expect from each other. For example you should let each other know from the start if your looking for a short term or long term relationship. If your looking to hook up just for the night. If you want to be friends with benefits. And what the terms are if sex is involved. And if your no longer interested in each other then it should be made clear that it's over between the both of you. Because people aren't honest with their feelings people can't correct their mistakes therefore you have those people you label as Clingers.

Exactly. It goes with the mixed signals again. The more you let unresolved tension and feelings build up the worse its gonna get. Just be open and honest and stop with the passive aggressive tendencies.

The comment above is so true. Be honest up front and you wouldn't have to play these mind games and hurt people feelings along the way.

I believe most of the time people men/women who are clingy types have to be told or have the impression of something more being shown to them or else what would make them get that way. I think what happens most of the time is guys say one thing, but their actions say another and instead of being openly honest, men mislead whether its intentional or indirectly the girl has all the mixed signals circling around in her head and she gets fed up and in a sense snaps. If anything I think most women just want closure to a bad relationship. Just give them the damn truth and move on.

I agree us women want closure to a bad relationship. The reason for this is if we are doing something wrong we would like to know that way we can correct it. So the next time we get in a relationship it won't happen again. Also the other reason is we need to know it's not our fault so we can say we did everything we could for this relationship and now we know there is no unfinished business left and that the relationship is over and we can move on with our lives. And your also right about guys saying one thing but their actions say another. Stop giving us woman mixed signals just be honest to us. We would like for you to tell us what you want and expect from the beginning. For example : I only want to be friends with benefits, just want to hook-up only, I just want us to see each other-sex or no sex- but right now I am not looking for a relationship or lets just go on dates for now and if it leads to a relationship thats fine with me.

I had a s4 ask to use my bathroom when my girl was home with me wtf is she retarded

dont have sex with stage 5!!! they poke holes in condoms so you cant get away...trust me...

Like guys aren't clingy? Everyone has issues, men included. I wish clingers would get some self-esteem and read a book. It would be a much better use of their time.

Tina, Director of familyleisure.com

clingy people can be great lovers, emotionally and sexually, if you can just make it positive... and if you can love the person for trying to be loving and never letting go. of course..relationships are complex mostly becuz of the things that would keep both people apart...im actually a clingy guy but im more fair and smart and I'm very sweet and enjoyable... these clingy people are just stupid...if they had a more controlled positive behavior and i dunno if they acted the right way... they'd be much better off :\ in this world... there is too much ignorance -.-

oh btw i'm clingy but i suppose it's not exactly clingy becuz i can allow time for my gf -.-and i dont have trust issues, but i do have some fair ones based on what i know about seduction and relationships and stuff -- so like perhaps clingy isnt the word im supposed to use on myself -.-

hello my name is elise renee gingerich, age 39 in sweet little Lawrence Kansas Usa, and in a nutshell, no pun? intended, there was this guy, that i connected with off of a telephone date line, way back in early 2007 i think, i did not really know him or nothing like that, and yes, He did come over to My place, but when I asked to come over to His place, He said no no, That is Not going to Happen doll! and yes, i Did get a little bit Crazy, for the last few years or so or whatever, but You All cannot Find someone or somebody or somebody or someone, that was Never Really There anyways!!! and vice versus of everything that i just said, but Heck, that's Okay, i guess, because all i really wanted was some good sex anyways, but He got His rocks off, i did not, and i guess That is where the Crazy stuff came from, i just wanted a good Screw and i didn't get It from Him or other men or lovers other lovers or men either, and That's where the Let Down comes from people! anyhow, Thank You and Have a Nice Day please! and God Bless You All Amen!

Casual sex isnt really a good thing, it makes love look meaningless when it isnt. People with hearts can withstand the tests of time with one partner, unlike you... the way you think about sex as just another way to scratch your itch. casual sex makes love look meaningless becuz if u cant love someone forever, then love is meaningless... and becuz sex is a type of connection that is based on who we are... and purity of not having had sex with sex with another person is valued by some people becuz it's that purity that makes who you are meaningful... it exists to show that people dont have to be evil or bad to live life and still enjoy it.. that we can still be with one person and not leave them ...

and when you truly love someone, even if u cant have sex with them, u can still not cheat on them sexually. the way you think about sex is dispicable, because the ideas of acccepting casual sex is bad.. it makes you just another person that WOULDNT stand the test of time for your lack of seriousness about meaningfulness and strength...and therefore you dont YET deserve eternity... but guys like me, who dont do these sexual things, well ifi had an eternity to love my girlfriend, i can becuase i know aboutthe cycle of positivity that will keep the way we see each other (in our hearts) unchanged no matter what happens...

but you... if u were my girlfriend, i cudnt really rely on you to not cheat? you would try if u loved me enough becuz i can inspire true love in most girls but then WHO U'VE BEEN will get in the way of you trying... who you are will wash you away and u will want to go with the flow of your weakness to your own desires, which i na way contorll you, but people like me see past the pleasure, past the pain, and past the things that wear down...

if u read the bible where adam and even have taken the apple from the forbidden tree of life...

WE HAVE TO LEARN TO NOT TAKE THE APPLE FROM THE FORBIDDEN TREE..

similarly we have to learn to not do the things we dont have to do... when we can be happy with what we already have...

i for one am happy enough with my girlfriend... and if she died today.... i wouldnt fuck another girl or go out with any... becuz i wouldnt want to repeat the words " i love you " again and remember it... when you truly love someone, they are a huge part of you... so much that to break up means that your life doesnt count towards who you should be when u go to heaven...you'd have to start over as a baby.... and whatis your sexual life part of ? 500 guys? 100? 30? my sexual life is part of 1 girl, and cuz of that, i can be happy to know that people like you cant make people like me and my gf cheat.. cuz we have hearts that stand the test of time... and i say this not just cuz i oppose what u said but also because no where on the internet do i see anyone talk about love like i do....

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Damn, Slash, when did you go all hearts-and-flowers Jesus freak? That's a far cry from the Appetite for Destruction days. You ever hang out with Axl anymore? I heard he got fat.

I'm not a jesus freak... I know about god through relationships and family, analyzations and seeing if things are related to needs, wants, and desires or how they relate more to truth when it comes to proving the existence of god and the other related stuff like angels and the whole system they have for our lives.

I read parts of the bible because the wisdoms in it make alot of sense...
it isnt like im trying to be religious or like im trying to beleive in anything without proof or something...
stuff that jesus said in his life are very true, and so i decided to learn from it all... >_> i dont go freak for anything -.-
i dont go freaky for jesus or god or bands, or the hottest girls i come across in my life( i see alot of nice ones..) nor for anything really.. i just dont, i think it is stupid.... to go freaky like justin beiber fans or groupies i hate groupies -.-

anyway hearts and flowers? i'm only like that with my gf, im also very sexual in the cool kind of way, but i also have my limits for certain dangerous perspectives when it comes to sex... when it comes to everyone else, i can be social, and usually fun in the cleanest way possibl...and veery helpful with advices and other stuff ...

unless i feel something is threatening or putting something in danger...-.- then i get rather too serious I dont know who or what axl is but i do know it isa guitar brand...

now please, dont talk about how my perspectives and wisdoms is about me when THE ONLY REASON ( I SAID THE ONLY REASon) I WASz TALKING IN THIS COMMENT AREA IS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WONT LACK AN IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVE THAT HASNT REALLY BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT THE WAY I HAVE...

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Back in the late 80s there was a band called Guns N' Roses. Their guitarist was named Slash. The singer was named Axl. They fucked dirty whores, did a shitload of heroin, and played rock and roll.

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I can see now that you are clearly some other, non-heroin shooting guitarless Slash, and not the one I was thinking of with all the whiskey and naked sluts and burning hotel rooms. It's just that you guys have the same name, so it was an honest mistake. I'm sure you can understand my confusion.

I apologize for the misunderstanding. Good luck with Velvet Revolver. God bless.

Things like that happen alot.... Using cool names when people dont deserve them... same thing goes one with what gangsters do and alot of the whole thing that some women like about "gangster" and such I dont know how to explain it more clearly right now but there is another type of influence that im studying that i dont like

I'm Slash becuz i slash through the wrong ideas people have...if i sense something bad about something, i can sense what there is to be said... just like alot of people sense it...the pnly problem is they cant express it because they dont have the knowledge for it... and then they end up looking stupid and then people who are there to see the person ridiculed ...those people might tend to not listen to wisdom as much anymore unless someone with high authority or something says so or somthing i also plan to slash other things...
btw i have a guitar lol a cool one with a pedalboard >_> i play rock but not the wrong kind... I also studied the meanings of every detail of the instrumentality of music.. therefore maybe one day i will also be able prove quickly ( it has to be quick or else people say distorting shit) what is wrong or bad in music and what is not and when it isnt ...becuz music also tends to feed who u are or if u're the type of person who thinks u're not affected by music.. u either are affected or it means there is something about u that doesnt listen or see certain things .. anyway

haha:P btw as well, it's ok for the misunderstanding :P thank u for the laughs u brought me for ur "misunderstanding" i dunno who velvet revolver is... and thankxs

I'm not a jesus freak... I know about god through relationships and family, analyzations and seeing if things are related to needs, wants, and desires or how they relate more to truth when it comes to proving the existence of god and the other related stuff like angels and the whole system they have for our lives.

I read parts of the bible because the wisdoms in it make alot of sense...
it isnt like im trying to be religious or like im trying to beleive in anything without proof or something...
stuff that jesus said in his life are very true, and so i decided to learn from it all... >_> i dont go freak for anything -.-
i dont go freaky for jesus or god or bands, or the hottest girls i come across in my life( i see alot of nice ones..) nor for anything really.. i just dont, i think it is stupid.... to go freaky like justin beiber fans or groupies i hate groupies -.-

anyway hearts and flowers? i'm only like that with my gf, im also very sexual in the cool kind of way, but i also have my limits for certain dangerous perspectives when it comes to sex... when it comes to everyone else, i can be social, and usually fun in the cleanest way possibl...and veery helpful with advices and other stuff ...

unless i feel something is threatening or putting something in danger...-.- then i get rather too serious I dont know who or what axl is but i do know it isa guitar brand...

now please, dont talk about how my perspectives and wisdoms is about me when THE ONLY REASON ( I SAID THE ONLY REASon) I WASz TALKING IN THIS COMMENT AREA IS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE WONT LACK AN IMPORTANT PERSPECTIVE THAT HASNT REALLY BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT THE WAY I HAVE...

No one talks about love that way because it's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be. Love is a mechanism designed to keep the human race going. Love is just a really evolved form of sexual desire. You may not think so because you're Christian and believe in "God" It is ridiculous to think that you must be monotonous in order to go to Heaven. What kind of bullshit is that? I am a Godless man. The only judge I need, is me. This is why I hate religion.

First of all, I grew up in the Catholic faith, but I DIDN'T BELIEVE in God because of the religion so much, I found out about God's existence in a way that is proof to me because i sorta try to see how people lie and how they don't, if they are crazy or if they are not and if they hallucinate or not... there are a few people i know who make sense and don't have any condition for hallucinations. Yet everything that happens with them makes sense.

I DIDN'T SAY one has to be monotonous in order to go to heaven. There is actually a system God has for us. and i think maybe you MIGHT BE confusing "monotonous" with the protection of one's purity... purity is important but not so much the kind of purity where you unquestionably deny all things that are bad or seem bad, but where you protect your trustworthiness.. the kind of purity that makes one NOBLE. kind of like the mouse in the 3rd movie of the "Chronicles of Narnia".

God, I'm guessing must be better at judging than all of us, one cant judge so easily, not even me, there are deep chains of reactions and effect that most people have studdied, especially most people who only live life mostly for social pleasure and survival and some love.
btw, it is probably that religions most or all of them, were changed before somehow and maybe that is why they are disagreeable now, but i have no proof of that, but i do have
disagreements with my religion, a few.
according some spirit, some of the religions that still exist, were all started by god to get people to grow up differently- to bring VARIETY ( monotonous huh?)

Within life, there are other types of life.. happiness, love, trust, appreciation are other types of life if you know what i mean. because they are like cycles or things that can keep on going, especially if you work on it. BUT

BUT to tell people it's ok to NOT LOVE someone so much, to tell them that such things like love and happiness are not so necessary, to them anything that makes them give in to doing what SEEMS ok, is a WAY of TELLING them that it is okay to go with the flow. or it's a way of not giving importance to the things that help people cooperate more.

the reason people who try to get in relationships and fail to find happiness with someone else (when they do fail) is because of lack of communication
communication between the heart and the mind ( i cant say much about the people biologically messed up but i do know that's a price to pay for lack of some undiscussed balance missing in this world that might have been here once)
all the vices don't allow people to communicate with their hearts or even let them think at all to think of what really matters..

like if i tell my friend it's okay to be lazy, or your son, he might just do it... to tell people something isn't a big deal, they might just follow..

ANDDDD whether you think love is a mechanism for survival--IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE
ugh i have to go >.> i have said enough and at this point my mind is full

and i want It to be at least for More than Four hours! i'd like It to just keep going and going and going and Going....hee hee hee hee! That's What I Really Want! but, oh well, It cannot Last Forever you all know that?? whatever....anyways, again, Thank You You All for listening to me rambling on about nothing really, and again Have a Nice Day and God Bless You All, Amen! from elise renee gingerich in sweet little Lawrence Kansas Usa...

wow, things got a lil off track here. lol last I checked this article was about levels of clinginess not religious perspectives. (and trust me, I don't agree with any of you, but I'll let it be.)
but anyways, I don't think any of you realize just how crafty they can get even at level 2 or 3 lol. I've been there, I found a guys birthday, cell phone, address, home phone, email, and class schedule in less than 12 hours after just our 2nd meeting. Yes, I know I was a freak, don't judge. but it's not that hard, crazy people post there personal info everywhere!! simply put, if you don't want a girl to follow you... KEEP YOUR PERSONAL INFO P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L!! wow, that's difficult! However, the ones you can't deal with are 4 and 5 they will pay to find out your personal information, I'm sure we would all be surprised if we found out just how many times our name gets googles daily. I've dealt with a level 5 guy, he still seems to think I'm IN LOVE with him even after 5 YEARS of ignoring. I'm not even out of high school! yes, it can get that bad.
and it's not just girls... most definitely NOT just girls.

There is such a thing as a male clinger. I'm currently trying to get away from an S4 clinger. I've known the guy for barely 3 weeks and he's texting me EVERY SINGLE DAY asking when we'll be seeing each other. He calls me when I don't answer his questions right away. Oh, and he's whiny.

This Yaro Shepherd that seems to think you can buy a woman like a commodity can only be one type of boy - damaged goods. Perfect candidate for a glassing in the face.